Reviewing old research

[Hazel Stringer]

Hi all,

I went back into older research last weekend. I was concentrating on the gap between Singapore and Ceylon and the excerpt at the end of this post. I found this information in an official record from the National Archives. It confirms an oral enquiry that dates from around 1989. We rang the Naval historic Branch and the bemused person on the other end of the phone went to check records singing softly "Daisy, Daisy give me your answer do....!" After a couple of minutes he returned to the phone somewhat abashed to confirm that the RN had briefly had a ship called Daisy engaged in the evacuation of Singapore. We went to the archives but the information is either lost or amongst a myriad of undocumented papers. The Naval Historic Branch seems to have vanished too.

My question is if the papers have survived where would they be?

Unfortunately I cannot get the image to copy but here is a transcript:

"Shortly before weighing anchor the "Daisy" staggered in. Although previously Red Ensign she had ben recently been operating under the White Ensign."

This comes from a document at the National Archives, a formal report written Sub Lt F E W Lammert RNVR, an account of the escape of P10 and P12

[Doc Vernon]

Hello Hazel
Well here we go again , another bit of trivia and investigation by you.
But guess one must look at every angle .
Not remembering too well of all the past Posts, what Ship was the Daisy!
Do you have her Tonnage at all. Where was she Bult and When? Any other info that may help .

What Year would we be looking at .
Just a few questions to try and see f there is anything out there!

Cheers

NB Added After searching around i now know what i had asked Hazel. Thought i would just post all that may be of interest. You more than likely have most of this anyway




LAMMERT, Capt Frank Edward Weatherstone (1903-1999) - King's Collections / Archive Catalogues

Liddell Hart Centre for Military Archives - King's Collections / Archive Catalogues


Royal Naval Historic Branch

Naval Historical Branch

Guess you have this but will post anyway

Stringer-Dominic-Michael


Naval Historic Branch

Just recollecting what you have Hazel. All very interesting must say!

Hong Kong & Whampoa Dock Co. Ltd – ships built, wrecked during WW2 – The Industrial History of Hong Kong Group

[Hazel Stringer]

Hi Doc,

Thanks for the info! During correspondence with FEW Lammert, h was kind enough to get most of his Singapore papers copied and sent to us, others w went to TNA and got copies. It was Frank who identified pictures of Dad. He did not know his name but remembered him as being on Daisy. Frank described him as eager and good with engines. Certainly later in the war, Dad is listed on his CRS 10 as an engineer on several ships.

The Royal Naval Historic Branch and the Naval historic Branch are one and the same. I have made enquiries to see if the records of Daisy still survive.

Stringer-Dominic-Michael (Roll of Honour) was written by a friend who is part of the FEPOW websites. He was so interested in Dad's story he asked if he could write it up for "posterity"! It was written some 15 years back. Sadly, I cannot persuade him to update it!

I have loads of info on Daisy - but no picture still. Daisy and her sistership Heather were built by Hong Kong and Wampoa Dock Co in 1938 for Hammer & Co of Singapore. Other details: Official number 06556 oil engined weight 163 tons dimensions 100.3 x 22.1 x 87 and she sailed under a British flag.

She escaped Singapore on 13/14 February with (from memory) six middle management types, one of whom was the harbour Master "Captain" Walmsley. Also on board was one P.O. and six naval ratings. Given Dad's attitude to authority we assumed Dad was on of the ratings.

Hope that fills the gaps.

Cheers,
Hazel

[Hazel Stringer]

One thing that occurred to m after posting this, there were 13 men on Daisy. Daisy left on 13/14 February 1942. Dad arrived in Singapore on 13/1/1942. He had left Clyde on 12/13 Nov 1941. Given the number of 13's in that sequence, is it surprising Dad was not overtly superstitious?

[Doc Vernon]

I am not 100% sure on these Hazel, but come across these three Ships which one may possibly be the correct Daisy!
Unfortunately there is no actual info attached to them, but if you look close you can see the name !
One looks like in Hong Kong Harbour??
Cheers

Daisy-01.jpg

Daisy-02.jpg

Daisy PD334-01.jpg

[Hazel Stringer]

hi Doc,I have an absolutely horrible condition which has left me blind in one eye. However, in the first and third photographs shown the name looks incredibly like Daisy. Certainly in both photos it is a 5 letter name. Can I say Mike is all but doing cartwheels! I have canvassed opinion of several friends to see if they can see better than me! It is the only ship his Dad was on for which we had not previously had a picture! On the downside the silhouette dos not exactly match the other pics I have seen of water boats at Singapore. However, I suspect there were a variety of ship types for this duty!
I shall let you know the consensus of opinion. Which was the one you thought was Hong Kong Harbour?

[Doc Vernon]

Hi Hazel So sorry to hear of that condition, not good at all.
I too have not the best Eyesight but at least can see not too bad! The First Pic i thought may be HK ??

But as said Hazel i am not sure!

I have posted another Pic of who may possibly as we said be your Dad on the Delamar , better clearer one . Have you seen it Yet!
Cheers

Its in another of your threads

Itma dominic michael stringer - a comprehensive update - Page 2

[j.sabourn]

The vessel with PD 334 on her stern is a fishing vessel as most will know. The letters denote the port of Registry and the number is the number of registration . The likes of a North Shields trawler would have the letters SN denoting Shields North. Can’t think at present what PD would represent my first thought would be Peterhead but that does not align up with the system of my era. JS

[Tony Taylor]

The vessel with PD 334 on her stern is a fishing vessel as most will know. The letters denote the port of Registry and the number is the number of registration . The likes of a North Shields trawler would have the letters SN denoting Shields North. Can’t think at present what PD would represent my first thought would be Peterhead but that does not align up with the system of my era. JS

I would say Peterhead as well John, looks a bit like Peterhead in the background as well.

[j.sabourn]

I say trawler Tony but she has the looks more of a Drifter hence the sail. Also the size of the vessel. JS