Drinking on board

[happy daze john in oz]

The situation is getting worse day by day.
Young children in a number of countries being used to dig out minerals to use in EV batteries.
How many of them will die from a similar disease?

[John Gill]

As well as being good for the health figures Des it is also extremely healthy for the treasury figures whatever else could they tax and have a perfect alibi for doing so ? JS.
Maybe why the first aid answer for treating trauma disappeared into the mists of time Remember the answer for shock , “ make them comfortable, , give them a cigarette, and a shot of whiskey ? “ St.John’s Ambulance will never live it down .However I still,believe old remedys are the best and still continue to observe. JS

I'll drink to that.

[happy daze john in oz]

Me, I drink to any thing as long as the grog is cold.

[James Curry]

How many engineers have died with Asbestos related diseases. So ships everytime you went astern you created a snow storm, old pipe lagging loaded with the stuff. Shipyard pipe laggers anyone involved with the stuff. I watched my best mate go from a 15 stone power house to a 6 stone gibbering wreck within 2 years. It was not a nice death. If ever there is a case for the Euthanasia laws being passed in the UK for cases like this.
He died when he was 63, the government in there generosity let him draw his State pension early also granted him extra benefits. He got a pay out against his employer not sure how much but was a 6 figure sum. He was not even cold in his grave when the DWP sent his wife a letter claimning back those said benefits and 3 days pension over payment as he died 3 days short of the day his pension was due. They said the family had not informed the Pensions department as to the date of his death. Just shy of £38,000 for the extra benefits and about £40 over pension payment.
So what I would like to know he had never been out of work always paid his NIC's until he was medically retired at 61 so given he started work at 15 he paid into the system for 46 years so really the government say he was over paid 3 days as the family had not notified the DWP of his death, it is an effing joke, work all your life and this happens.

[Tony Taylor]

How many engineers have died with Asbestos related diseases. So ships everytime you went astern you created a snow storm, old pipe lagging loaded with the stuff. Shipyard pipe laggers anyone involved with the stuff. I watched my best mate go from a 15 stone power house to a 6 stone gibbering wreck within 2 years. It was not a nice death. If ever there is a case for the Euthanasia laws being passed in the UK for cases like this.
He died when he was 63, the government in there generosity let him draw his State pension early also granted him extra benefits. He got a pay out against his employer not sure how much but was a 6 figure sum. He was not even cold in his grave when the DWP sent his wife a letter claimning back those said benefits and 3 days pension over payment as he died 3 days short of the day his pension was due. They said the family had not informed the Pensions department as to the date of his death. Just shy of £38,000 for the extra benefits and about £40 over pension payment.
So what I would like to know he had never been out of work always paid his NIC's until he was medically retired at 61 so given he started work at 15 he paid into the system for 46 years so really the government say he was over paid 3 days as the family had not notified the DWP of his death, it is an effing joke, work all your life and this happens.

One of my neighbours back in seventies died with it when he was about 43; he was a service engineer for Weirs pumps, he reckoned it was from having to remove lagging from boiler feed pumps.

[Johnny Kieran]

That Asbestos disease has always nagged my mind since we first found out about it. I remember back to the Beaver boats, when loading asbestos in Quebec. I was always on Standby at night, going down the hatches as they were finishing shifts loading it. Asbestos was floating around in the air like billions of little feathers, and I know I breathed plenty of it in, coughing and spluttering all the time. It was in bags that were thrown onto stacks with great puffs of the stuff going all over the place. Got it in your eyes, up your nose, horrible stuff.
Of course that was before the knew about it's affects on people, or maybe before it was made public?
It was always a relief to get back on deck, tightening or loosening the ropes through the night, to keep the ice from building between the boat and dock when the tide changed. Have a good cough up, and yottering it out over the side seemed to do the trick.

[Tony Taylor]

That Asbestos disease has always nagged my mind since we first found out about it. I remember back to the Beaver boats, when loading asbestos in Quebec. I was always on Standby at night, going down the hatches as they were finishing shifts loading it. Asbestos was floating around in the air like billions of little feathers, and I know I breathed plenty of it in, coughing and spluttering all the time. It was in bags that were thrown onto stacks with great puffs of the stuff going all over the place. Got it in your eyes, up your nose, horrible stuff.
Of course that was before the knew about it's affects on people, or maybe before it was made public?
It was always a relief to get back on deck, tightening or loosening the ropes through the night, to keep the ice from building between the boat and dock when the tide changed. Have a good cough up, and yottering it out over the side seemed to do the trick.

The government has been aware of asbestos being a hazard since about 1914.

[Des Jenkins]

Hi Tony.
In the States in the 30s miners where only employed in a mine for a short period, they where sacked but no worries plenty of Asbestos mines jobs and easy to get, but the sinister thing was that the employers where doing it deliberately so the miner when he caught silicosis could not pinpoint which mine he caught it in.
A few years ago now I got a letter from an ex seaman who I had been at the Vindi Sea school with, he had
Silicosis and had been trying to get a payout from the shipping Co he had worked with, As I was involved in the struggle here for People who had the decease he asked me if there was any chance he could have caught it at sea, I told him I knew of people who had, and sent him a letter explaining how when painting winches one had to crawl under them where the pipes where lagged with the rotten stuff, and the fact that seamen used to help rig up pulleys in the engine room to help the Engineers remove pistons etc, he won his case, but sadly just after he got paid out he died, I got a lovely letter of thanks from his wife.
Des

[happy daze john in oz]

Here inn Oz there were many houses built with Asbestos in them.
Some they have just enclosed in brick work the danger of removing was considered too bad.

All bench tops which were made of stone and had to be cut with grinders are now banned.
The risk of silicosis was far to high.
Not sure how houses that have them in already will go over time.

[Malcolm Lawrence]

As a retired trained Asbestos surveyor and inspector it used to be that the different colour coding of asbestos types (brown, white, blue) was an indication of how dangerous it was.
Blue was deemed the worst as it's fibres tended to be the smallest and easiest to be ingested into the lungs, this does not now stand as all asbestos is contaminated with all the colours.
Interesting fact, if one asbestos fibre was released at ceiling height it would take 8 hours for it to reach the floor, sort of illustrates how easily it can be drawn into the lungs.