Cappys lost relative

[cappy]

##my family history is quite interesting and intermingled with seafarers on all sides from a great granfather who died ..in the SS egyptian prince in pernambuko1890s of yellow fever.as chief officer ...to americans in the war of independance and the civil war in america .....originaly from germany 1500 hundreds ....to the states via tyneside and back to the shetlands via mygreat grandfather jumping a yankee whaler in the shetlands then marrying in tynemouthmid to late 1800 s....my granfather WA cram lost a brother andrew cram who i found drowned on iether new years day or boxing day while falling overboard in the tyne in 1912........his brother sinclair also drowned but i cannot get any info on him except he is buried in newcastle ......i was told in my youth that he was last seen in heavy weather going from the wheelhouse back forrard or vice versa ...i do know that he coming home from sea ealier he was throwing the newborn baby playfully in the air and dropped the child causing greivous head injuries ....i also heard he was so distressed by this he may have jumped over the wall......i have a photo of them all together taken early 1900s but cannot find the truth of sinclair crams death ...born i shetland 1880s or 90s......would be pleased for any info from any of our gurus on the site cappy thanking you

[Hugh]

Hi Cappy,

Andrew Edwin Cram was drowned at Dunston while on the MALABAR 26.12.1912.

Was Sinclair Cram b. 26.5.1880 in Shetland if so he has a MN photo?

Regards
Hugh

[cappy]

well hugh ..thats pretty quick on the draw ......he was living in laygate area of shields at the time ...i have a photo of all the 5 brothers must have been home at the same time in shields ......but sinclair is the mystery man .....many thanks to you cappy

[Hugh]

Hi Cappy,
I think I have found him but I am breaking my own rules by not researching deep enough so I have some doubts. Was Sinclair Cram's father, John, an American. Was Sinclair Cram ever in the RN to your knowledge?

Regards
Hugh

[cappy]

hi hugh yes his father was john henry cram from sandford maine but iving in shetland.....dont know of RN though ....could be wrong but all were MN to my knowledge.....i was baffled by the lost at sea as i was told he was buried in newcastle ..perhaps recovered from sea ....your info certainly appreciated...kind regards cappy

[Hugh]

Is this the correct family? Sorry just making sure.

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Cram Head Married Male 45 1836 Farmer & Wool Weaver United States
Jessie Cram Wife Married Female 34 1847 Farmer's Wife Shetland Islands, Scotland
John J Cram Son - Male 9 1872 Scholar Shetland Islands, Scotland
Andrew E Cram Son - Male 7 1874 Scholar Shetland Islands, Scotland
William A Cram Son - Male 4 1877 Scholar Shetland Islands, Scotland
Sinclair Cram Son - Male 0 1881 - Shetland Islands, Scotland
Christan Cogle Servant Unmarried Female 22 1859 General Servant (Domestic) Shetland Islands, Scotland

Regards
Hugh

[cappy]

thats them hugh ......john henry ex mariner now farmer etc they had land in mucle roe shetland ...the boys were coming from sea and farming the croft ....i was told they sailed by open boat down to shields to join there other family members ...my granda could sail round the tyne like a goodn in any weather .....the croft was there family home ....i have some of the info from others and indeed discharge papers for sailing ships etc in the 1800s and later for john cram.....yoour info greatly accepted cappy

[Hugh]

That's good Cappy we appear to have found him. The only thing - on his card it says Dis R Navy 13.5.1919 - my thinking is that he may have served in the RN during WW1 and rejoined the MN in October 1919.
Maybe I could be so bold to ask Marian if she could check the RN medal role for Sinclair Cram from the Ancestry site - I don't have access to that one. All UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972 results for Sinclair Cram

Could you send me your email address via a pm and I will send you on the information I have. The cards I have are copyright from another site so really shouldn't be posted on here.

Regards
Hugh

[Hugh]

He was born in Shetland in 1880 and death registered in Gateshead, third quarter of 1924. He does not appear on the Deaths at Sea Register but I have him signed on the CRETEBOOM on 1st May 1924 - that appears to have been his last ship.

Regards
Hugh

[cappy]

thanks hugh have sent by PM my email address ....thanks for your help it is all so interesting and i am sure marion will help if poss ..regards cappy