Pure madness.................again

[j.sabourn]

Terry I must have something similar as my feet swell up to like two Xmas puddings. When I said to my GP was it all these blasted pilIs I take, he said maybe , but take your choice you can either have swollen feet or a bad heart, you can’t have both, like I was asking for an ice cream and a bar of chocolate at the same time. Good to see you back in one piece. Cheers JS

[Tony Taylor]

Terry I must have something similar as my feet swell up to like two Xmas puddings. When I said to my GP was it all these blasted pilIs I take, he said maybe , but take your choice you can either have swollen feet or a bad heart, you can’t have both, like I was asking for an ice cream and a bar of chocolate at the same time. Good to see you back in one piece. Cheers JS

Spend more time with your feet up, helps my ankles to go down

[Tony Taylor]

Tony , This is only the start mate, Bloody crazy gang alright. By the way lads I have been laid up for a few weeks with a blood infection, Caused me all kinds of prob,s from a cluster of boils in my lower abdomen to terrible swelling of my feet All part of the condition I suffer with known as Chronic Osteomyelitis. Which is a permanent bone infection. We all have our crosses to bare, We cant stop the wind and storm. But we can adjust the sails Regards lads Terry. Good to be able to sit up at my p.c. desk again.

Terry,
keep fighting it mate, are you allowed a livener to ease your mind , if nothing else?

[Doc Vernon]

OK Lads thanks for all the off Topic now back to the Original Topic please!
Thanks


Yes i know i drifted just to wish Terry well. Sorry

[j.sabourn]

The original topic was and is Pure Madness... but for future records one must go back a few years to the. Root cause of the present day situation. If my memory is correct the UN laid down basic laws for the succour of refugees , these were to most people’s way of thinking people from war torn situations who had no where to go. All very well l and good. This law was to the best of my knowledge never received-a realignment to modern times, and if it was it only applied to those who followed UN rulings. People of so called strong values used these laws to let in economic refugees who were not aligned with the old guide lines. Others followed with these thinking’s whether through visions of self gain or conscience, brought on by various means whether by newsreels or a very descriptive media who saw ways to make it very public with whatever emphasis they chose to give the stories,. We are today in a situation where the original rules really have no bearing on what is occurring. When the mass influx into Europe began this sorry saga, the only country I saw that had the foresight to see what could lie ahead was Hungary, she took the full force of a bad press through the media and other countries in Europe,. Today what started there and should have been contained there has spread to different parts of the world. The more media it gets the bigger it stands to get. The heads of governments be they democratic or Despot led, is where the rot should stop and laws to that effect made at a national level. JS

[happy daze john in oz]

As said before, the primary duty of any gov is protection of the people by control of borders.
Not all 'those people' are bad but it appears most terrorists come from 'those people'.

It has been going on since Cocky was in the egg and no matter what we as citizens or govs do the terrorists if they want them will find the guns.
Our gun laws here in Oz since 1996 are some of the toughest about, but it has not stopped crims from shooting each other, and others along the way.

NZ has now banned all semi automatic guns, but there are still many out there yet to be handed in and some will not.

It is a sad state of affairs when the public have to walk around wondering if it will occur again where they are.
Now we live in fear of retaliation by some lunatic fringe who will say this is revenge.

But one light on the hill, in the news today from UK, a man who became a friend of one of ' those people' and is now leading an anti right wing fight to attempt to stop the anti 'those people' brigade.

It is also a sad indictment of society, that includes us on site, where we cannot refer to these people by the term they are, resorting to phrases such as, 'those people'.
We refer to Christians, Catholics, Anglicans as such but not the others.
I fully understand the reason on site for this after the incident a few years ago, but it is still a bad sign, how can those decent people from 'those people' ever become fully intregrated in to our society if we refer to them in this manner.

Six years ago I had a Radical Prostatectomy, conducted by one of 'those people' who gave after care to me that was second to none.

As Rob pointed out, there are so many good ones without whom many aspects of our society would fail.
If we are to remain a civilized society then attitudes must change.

Sorry to hear about the feet, have a similar problem, good news for Terry though.

[j hardy]

australias gun laws have done nothing to stop firearm related crime. the pollies didn't, and still don't, understand that criminals do not obey any laws. new Zealand is different because most of their rifles do not require registration, which is merely a tool for confiscation. their pm wants people to hand in their guns and talk about compensation later, yeah, right, don't think the kiwis are that stupid.

[j.sabourn]

Although I agree with most on this post it is a waste of time discussing it,as it will be considered political or religious and when you get into those realms the posts disappear like magic. So all I will say everyone is liable to the law , crime and religious beliefs if they don’t correspond with the laws of the country then if. They are not born and bred in the same country should return to their own country or one that corresponds to their own laws. This includes those who practice bigamy and sexual acts with underage children. If they obey the rules of the land they should be all welcome. As long as they enter legally. JS.

[happy daze john in oz]

Compensation was paid here in Oz to those who handed in guns back in 1996 after the Port Arthur outrage that saw 35 murdered.

There is no reason why NZ would not pay same as already guns are being handed in.
But no matter how good the laws of any country, be it for guns or any thing else, they are only good if policed correctly.

[j hardy]

so new laws were put in place 5 days from the massacre, tell me that is not an emotion driven knee jerk reaction, or were the laws already written as a wish list waiting for something to trigger them? getting paid compensation for private property you wish to keep is still theft, only now its under the threat of fines and imprisonment if you do not comply, kiwis can be jailed for watching the video of the massacre, internet sites are blocked, nanny state again. most on here seem to think that personal freedoms don't really matter, well I can tell you that a large percentage of the 250,000 kiwi gun owners are extremely angry with the new laws and lack of consultation, as well as the Islamic call to prayer, suggestions that school kids wear a head scarf, general fawning to the ******s. have not seen anything similar from them in the last 20 odd years of Islamic fundamentalist terror attacks.